tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post9131763842182830541..comments2024-03-26T23:57:42.268-04:00Comments on SpeEdChange: Designed to Fail - Education in America: Part Oneirasocolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01412837280249622430noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-71520293072804511382012-03-26T09:51:03.317-04:002012-03-26T09:51:03.317-04:00I apologize, for I am almost 3 years too late for ...I apologize, for I am almost 3 years too late for this discussion, but the above comment was spot on as evidence to support Ira's argument: Question the intention of those with the power to make decisions.<br /><br />The last comment warned you that the truth is never on the surface, and you must hone your creativity in order to see the truth.<br /><br />Once you see the truth as its really is, then you must ask yourself: Which view of education do I encourage? <br /><br />The answer will define the potential of our societysmith4429https://www.blogger.com/profile/16651697653623911850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-88882826659558642622010-10-03T14:35:20.332-04:002010-10-03T14:35:20.332-04:00Stuart, Even though Gates himself would never use ...Stuart, Even though Gates himself would never use the word "compliant" to the press, that would be insane, this doesn't mean he is not indicating such a position. The king of capitalist american can not accomplish his position without brutality and worker compliance. That we all can agree on...products do not always "win" because they are best, but because they are widely available and cheap. Why are products cheaper than other products? The simple answer is labor costs....hence the need for compliant workers, etc. etc. Think it through, use your imagination. Everything is not present at the surface.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-40589707268942458012010-09-27T08:33:24.891-04:002010-09-27T08:33:24.891-04:00So there's no logical connection that you can ...So there's no logical connection that you can identify. Can you point to any actual evidence for your interpretation of Gates' motives?Stuart Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731724396708879386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-8459525278031604772010-09-26T20:22:08.360-04:002010-09-26T20:22:08.360-04:00Be a little more specific: you're reading a li...Be a little more specific: you're reading a liberal Center for American Progress report that argues in anodyne language for the improvement of community colleges, and you conclude from that something about some sinister motive on the part of Gates in his corporate suites?Stuart Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731724396708879386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-6245043682825127112010-09-26T14:51:59.522-04:002010-09-26T14:51:59.522-04:00Stuart,
If you read the above quote, or document,...Stuart,<br /><br />If you read the above quote, or document, you would see that the Gates Foundation is primarily concerned with the cost of workers - both fiscally (they might have to pay more) or politically (they'd need increases in Visas to import foreign workers). This is a "competitiveness question.<br /><br />But I am glad that you have finally discovered someone who sees you not as entitled prodigy, but as an academic who might need to defend his work. And I'm glad that I could be here for this stage of your intellectual development.<br /><br />- Ira Socolirasocolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412837280249622430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-83051183512408066982010-09-26T14:06:16.276-04:002010-09-26T14:06:16.276-04:00I don't think "skilled" is a synonym...I don't think "skilled" is a synonym for "compliant" or "brutal."Stuart Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731724396708879386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-33670143860930117832010-09-26T13:59:25.561-04:002010-09-26T13:59:25.561-04:00Ah Stuart, the obsession is heartwarming...
"...Ah Stuart, the obsession is heartwarming...<br /><br />"More broadly, the future success of the U.S. economy likely depends at least partly on our ability to raise educational attainment among disadvantaged populations. If current patterns of immigration, retirement, and educational attainment continue, the imminent retirements of “baby boomers” and their replacement by immigrants in the labor force will no doubt tend to lower the educational attainment of U.S. workers.3 With such a work- force, U.S. employers would have greater difficulty finding and paying for skilled workers domestically who, because of their greater relative scarcity, would now be more expensive to hire."<br /><br />Which you might have found on your own by following the links:<br />http://www.gatesfoundation.org/united-states/Documents/strong-students-report.pdf<br /><br />- Ira Socolirasocolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412837280249622430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-28000963532300871292010-09-26T10:12:14.733-04:002010-09-26T10:12:14.733-04:00"they look down from corporate suites and see..."they look down from corporate suites and see that education is not producing the kinds of compliant worker/citizens their businesses need"<br /><br />What's your evidence for this?Stuart Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731724396708879386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-1200802651320071572010-09-26T09:23:52.292-04:002010-09-26T09:23:52.292-04:00Do you think when teachers are confronted with the...Do you think when teachers are confronted with the reason school is the way it is they will accept it or rebel? Do we simply need to educate teachers about why they teach how they teach?Wm Chamberlainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692221214846665588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-3259828734290092532010-09-26T08:15:37.219-04:002010-09-26T08:15:37.219-04:00Seems like we teachers have two choices....work wi...Seems like we teachers have two choices....work within the system to help students succeed or fight the system and lose our jobs. Not a good choice, either way. And having our government choose people to revamp the system and not choose any educators, is a clear message that the goal is to maintain the system, not help the children. <br /><br />Can't wait for part 2.Lisa Parisihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00139683732388415845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-49203722006697586742010-09-26T00:02:31.770-04:002010-09-26T00:02:31.770-04:00Wow!Wow!Carlhttp://weemooseus.edublogs.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-57695671546676760582010-09-25T23:15:53.851-04:002010-09-25T23:15:53.851-04:00Looking forward to part 2.Looking forward to part 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com