tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post613248559743867681..comments2024-03-26T23:57:42.268-04:00Comments on SpeEdChange: "Commons Knowledge"irasocolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01412837280249622430noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-58483825124259715802010-08-23T15:56:50.083-04:002010-08-23T15:56:50.083-04:00A couple of thoughts:
No, of course this isn'...A couple of thoughts:<br /><br />No, of course this isn't "good on paper," but then, no research is really published on paper anymore. Yes, it is available on paper, but that is not the source material.<br /><br />And, yes, stability of links always has, always will be, an issue. New editions - or paperbacks - threw off page number citations. Ancient books became unavailable (before Google Books). Sites change.<br /><br />So maybe our bibliographies should be page preservation screen shots?<br /><br />- Ira Socolirasocolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412837280249622430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-11372676052223689092010-08-23T14:09:47.912-04:002010-08-23T14:09:47.912-04:00The only problem in the "quote=link" mod...The only problem in the "quote=link" model is the inherent instability of the "link" side of the equation. What if Wikipedia uses a new wiki engine that changes all links on the site? What if the website linked just disappears? What if the content on the end of the link changes the day after you link to it? The legal argument is undeniable - students and everyone have an increasingly important financial incentive to get it right when it comes to citing sources. And finding someone who doesn't "get it right" is becoming easier and easier by the day. A better system is likely necessary, but you still need to identify the what, who, where, and when of someone else's material that you use. Maybe there need to be varying strata of citation applicable appropriate to the situation. You might as well ask why we insist that geometry as a full course of study is a necessary component of mathematics education, rather than in-depth logic instruction, statistics, or linear algebra. Any of these may be more important than geometry in the 21st century, where more people manipulate and use thought structures than physical structures in their everyday work. Today's education still harkens back to the 17th and 18th centuries, when an erudite person might have a chance of consuming the entire volume of world (Western) knowledge in a lifetime. That's a patent absurdity now. Rather than choosing the foundation that could lead to comprehensive knowledge, we need to provide (predict?) the knowledge likely to be the most applicable to the most people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-67554258679598588202010-08-23T08:18:50.802-04:002010-08-23T08:18:50.802-04:00You are absolutely correct that the current citati...You are absolutely correct that the current citation system is arcane, bizarre, and frustrating. When writing a college paper, I spent as much time making sure my periods and commas were all in exactly the right place, with exactly the correct spacing, as I did writing the paper. All the while, I thought about the purpose or goal of citations - to give credit to the author and allow the reader to relocate sources. I remember my instructor spending two hours in class deciding whether or not "Reading Recovery" was a proper noun that necessitated capitalization of both words. What a waste of time!Sue Downinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14075178915389082083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-6038592952607570802010-08-23T06:51:30.714-04:002010-08-23T06:51:30.714-04:00This is good stuff and it is time for all the plag...This is good stuff and it is time for all the plagiarism drama to subside - it's almost as bad as the moral panic that erupts periodically - and with increasing frequency - over the decline of the English language. (OMG children are texting. What about the language of Shakespeare and Milton? They are not thinking. It's the end of the world. Etc.)<br /><br />But my favorite nugget in all this is always to take a look at the Plagiarism Policy and then ask: Where did you get this from? Is it original? Is it your own work? What would happen if I sent it to "Turn it in"?Josie Holfordhttp://www.pdscompasspoint.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-12918912158899940292010-08-22T15:15:19.242-04:002010-08-22T15:15:19.242-04:00Great idea, it just doesn't look good on paper...Great idea, it just doesn't look good on paper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-15905967562124750342010-08-22T13:11:20.950-04:002010-08-22T13:11:20.950-04:00Also, why wouldn't I want a student to follow ...Also, why wouldn't I want a student to follow a proven business plan if one is available?<br /><br />Spot on post, Ira -<br /><br />Best,<br />CChad@classroots.orghttp://classroots.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-81746873217491868262010-08-17T04:09:56.613-04:002010-08-17T04:09:56.613-04:00Going back to the article you cite (har)....
&quo...Going back to the article you cite (har)....<br /><br />""Not only is it easier to lift material from websites, but when information is so readily available via sites such as Google and Wikipedia, it becomes less clear what material is free to take and what requires attribution."<br /><br />This is very teachable because it's drop-dead easy to discover the terms of use for many materials on the internet. For instance, Wikipedia is presented under a CC attrib share-alike license.<br /><br />So we find the original source of the business plan in question. We say: Does this web site present a copyright notice? Does the Berne convention apply to this material? Is it protected under the CC, like Wikipedia? Is it presented under some license that says, 'This is boilerplate, you are welcome to it?'<br /><br />These things are completely knowable, because there are laws governing them. And, as it turns out, in the 21st century, you better know something about those laws if you want to do business.<br /><br />--htbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com