tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post5672089122105871708..comments2024-03-26T23:57:42.268-04:00Comments on SpeEdChange: Chris Lehmann, Alan Shapiro, and sitting on a Philadelphia floor, almost 40 years agoirasocolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01412837280249622430noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-48485727521399091752011-02-08T09:35:21.454-05:002011-02-08T09:35:21.454-05:00Hey Ira,
I just posted a long and windy comment h...Hey Ira,<br /><br />I just posted a long and windy comment here but I'm not sure it posted.<br /><br />Hoping to be in dialog,<br /><br />Kirsten Olson<br />www.kirstenolson.orgKirstenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06737555409746301648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-48523037862612196972011-02-06T10:04:30.816-05:002011-02-06T10:04:30.816-05:00Jose,
As Chris noted on his post in his blog, my ...Jose,<br /><br />As Chris noted on his post in his blog, my questioning of SLA "comes from the left" which is rarely where challenges to the SLA model come from these days. So my first questions related to how could we be modeling a truly different school if we were following a sort-of school schedule and holding discrete "classes" (sessions), and if those sessions had been pre-determined. I also guess that I wanted to see greater doubt, more challenge of the structures of education (subject separation, classes, grades, grading), in the students.<br /><br />So there was a mismatch between the rhetoric I had heard re: EduCon, SLA - not from Chris - but from other attendees who saw it as something "radically different." I saw SLA as incrementally - significantly but incrementally - different. And EduCon as something similar.<br /><br />And that led to deeper mismatching in my mind. The rooms were crowded, there were too many instances of "celebrity" which bugged me. But, nothing is for everyone.<br /><br />Joe,<br /><br />You're still going to have to explain to me why you (and others) got angry instead of "getting questioning." Is that your response to frustrated students?<br /><br />I think people have a right to express frustration with how they match up with even our best efforts. <br /><br />- Ira Socolirasocolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412837280249622430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-56585545067707842592011-02-05T09:48:12.059-05:002011-02-05T09:48:12.059-05:00Ira,
Great post, you are a thoughtful and insight...Ira, <br />Great post, you are a thoughtful and insightful observer. I think if you would have brought all this commentary and background info. to your original post perhaps everyone (including me) would not have been so harsh in citing what was wrong with your behavior. <br /><br />But I think you have to be honest in separating how you experience an event, from what the event may be, and from how others experience the same event. <br /><br />If more people considered how kids experience school and learning, we would be in a better place. I think that is what EduCon is about.Joe Bireshttp://www.edtechleadership.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-11814003247046275942011-02-04T21:46:53.601-05:002011-02-04T21:46:53.601-05:00Reading your posts always makes me realize that I&...Reading your posts always makes me realize that I'm not insane to wish I could work with kids who weren't being shoe-horned into a mold very few of them fit. I'm trying to ignite a scientific frame of mind and curiosity and love of learning, and parents and kids are complaining because they're not getting As for trying to memorize facts instead of thinking. And those are the "good" kids...jsb16https://www.blogger.com/profile/15026570673498674977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-58567865512386440152011-02-03T22:31:47.411-05:002011-02-03T22:31:47.411-05:00Funny you mention this. Someone else I knew wasn&#...Funny you mention this. Someone else I knew wasn't satisfied with their experience with SLA, and wondered to themselves if there was anything to hide in this school. Because of the temperament of schools right now, there's a heavy dose of distrust with anything / any place that looks too open or too good. When people have plenty of praise for someone, they gravitate towards finding their negatives. <br /><br />Having said that, I wondered to myself what made your experience there so uncomfortable. After reading this post, I have a better understanding, I think. It also doesn't help when we edu-nerds lean too far on the side of "nice." At some point, I'll put down my thoughts on EduCon, but for the time being, I'll just say that it's always good to stay inquisitive if it means that the idea you're questioning improves in the process.<br /><br />I personally enjoyed my visit to EduCon, and I'd love to hear more about this idea of an open school from your end.Jose Vilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04670749542289741569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-26434057592120836402011-02-03T22:25:52.824-05:002011-02-03T22:25:52.824-05:00htb: Oddly enough, I was thinking how many of my ...htb: Oddly enough, I was thinking how many of my classes could benefit from an Agile-esque development model. Stand up meetings that scope out our week. What do you want to do? Is there anything in your way? When thinking about the space for routines and teacher practice in a student-directed learning space, that's not a bad starting point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-11124838959232581352011-02-03T22:07:51.962-05:002011-02-03T22:07:51.962-05:00The "learning how to learn" is, for me, ...The "learning how to learn" is, for me, the most important part of an education. Unfortunately, many kids are learning that learning is jumping through hoops, getting A's, and memorizing facts. <br /><br />When we try to help kids authentically learn how to learn, we end up having to help kids understand what learning is. This is an area of research of mine - love it.<br /><br />When I taught middle school, I bet i spent more time discussing learning (what it is, how to do so, & learning theory) than science :)Jerrid Krusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04195634850530143328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-9602530510669611532011-02-03T21:56:41.791-05:002011-02-03T21:56:41.791-05:00"I had come to EduCon from a week walking sch..."I had come to EduCon from a week walking schools with teachers and some students. We had "done rounds," going classroom to classroom, looking at spaces and what was happening inside them. And I realized how rarely teachers "share practice" like that."<br /><br />I'm thinking that there has to be some way to turn education into an open source software development project. :-)<br /><br />--htbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19457872.post-39936281763128510262011-02-03T21:45:00.483-05:002011-02-03T21:45:00.483-05:00Ira, you are a writer and an observer. You appreci...Ira, you are a writer and an observer. You appreciate and I appreciate that. Verbal football via twitter let me know that we'd hit it off and then found that we're practically brothers.<br /><br />I have been stewing on my reflection, reaction, and response to EduCon b/c I want to be accurate but not bitter. It's cleaning up and I know that I have to write to be heard as much as I must write to understand. <br /><br />Thanks for the push. I look forward to more learning with you. You'll have to spend more time in Philly. <br /><br />Go raibh maith agat, mo dheartháir.David Timonyhttp://www.DrTimony.comnoreply@blogger.com